permit to carry

[Smack D]

i have recently gotten my permit to carry a weapon. i was told that in the event i were witnessing a criminal putting another persons life in danger by threatening them with a firearm, it was my duty as a carrying citizen to act. the next question was how do you act? walk away, tell the criminal to drop or put down the weapon (with yours drawn of course) or shoot them. the answer was to shoot them. could this be true??

And when you pull your gun out and point it at them...another citizen sees you putting someones life in danger by threatening them with a firearm and pulls their gun and points it at you and then another .....

Reservoir Dogs all over again.

Spoken like a Canadian....oh, wait, you are Canadian.... and you've given up your right to even own a hand gun. Please go to the end of the line.

[New York Bear]

Well, in New york State at this time, we are really restricted as far as self protection, have to be in mortal danger with no way out, befor you can use your weapon, even then ya better have a good attorney, that can pick a good jury. Just saw on news one of our state senators is proposing a "stand your ground" law, which I doubt will ever make it. That being said, I carry all the time, and if any one has ever noticed, nothing has been said. Unfortunately, New York is not reciprocal with any other state, so then I am reduced to carrying a knife. Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

[Copperhead]

i have recently gotten my permit to carry a weapon. i was told that in the event i were witnessing a criminal putting another persons life in danger by threatening them with a firearm, it was my duty as a carrying citizen to act. the next question was how do you act? walk away, tell the criminal to drop or put down the weapon (with yours drawn of course) or shoot them. the answer was to shoot them. could this be true??

And when you pull your gun out and point it at them...another citizen sees you putting someones life in danger by threatening them with a firearm and pulls their gun and points it at you and then another .....

Reservoir Dogs all over again.

Spoken like a Canadian....oh, wait, you are Canadian.... and you've given up your right to even own a hand gun. Please go to the end of the line.

Not true....I can own all the handguns I want.

I never gave up that right...the restrictions we have were in place long before I had a chance to vote....

Back to the front of the line.

[liferider]

Well, in New york State at this time, we are really restricted as far as self protection, have to be in mortal danger with no way out, befor you can use your weapon, even then ya better have a good attorney, that can pick a good jury. Just saw on news one of our state senators is proposing a "stand your ground" law, which I doubt will ever make it. That being said, I carry all the time, and if any one has ever noticed, nothing has been said. Unfortunately, New York is not reciprocal with any other state, so then I am reduced to carrying a knife. Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

Yea, but you have that ULTRA LIBERAL NANCY PELOSI ASS KISSING GUN HATING IDIOT BLOOMBERG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[randee]

Well, in New york State at this time, we are really restricted as far as self protection, have to be in mortal danger with no way out, befor you can use your weapon, even then ya better have a good attorney, that can pick a good jury. Just saw on news one of our state senators is proposing a "stand your ground" law, which I doubt will ever make it. That being said, I carry all the time, and if any one has ever noticed, nothing has been said. Unfortunately, New York is not reciprocal with any other state, so then I am reduced to carrying a knife. Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

Can you figure out a temporary residence in some place like Arizona... just to get their CC permit that is good in many of the states.
Can that be done?

[ozzie]

Well, in New york State at this time, we are really restricted as far as self protection, have to be in mortal danger with no way out, befor you can use your weapon, even then ya better have a good attorney, that can pick a good jury. Just saw on news one of our state senators is proposing a "stand your ground" law, which I doubt will ever make it. That being said, I carry all the time, and if any one has ever noticed, nothing has been said. Unfortunately, New York is not reciprocal with any other state, so then I am reduced to carrying a knife. Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

Can you figure out a temporary residence in some place like Arizona... just to get their CC permit that is good in many of the states.
Can that be done?

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/concealed-carry-discussion/6776-out-state-ccw-permit.html

[86Eliminator]

Well, in New york State at this time, we are really restricted as far as self protection, have to be in mortal danger with no way out, befor you can use your weapon, even then ya better have a good attorney, that can pick a good jury. Just saw on news one of our state senators is proposing a "stand your ground" law, which I doubt will ever make it. That being said, I carry all the time, and if any one has ever noticed, nothing has been said. Unfortunately, New York is not reciprocal with any other state, so then I am reduced to carrying a knife. Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

Can you figure out a temporary residence in some place like Arizona... just to get their CC permit that is good in many of the states.
Can that be done?

Or contact your Congressman or woman and tell them to support national reciprocity:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/respecting-states'-rights-and-concealed-carry-reciprocity-act-introduced-in-us-senate.aspx

[New York Bear]

Well, in New york State at this time, we are really restricted as far as self protection, have to be in mortal danger with no way out, befor you can use your weapon, even then ya better have a good attorney, that can pick a good jury. Just saw on news one of our state senators is proposing a "stand your ground" law, which I doubt will ever make it. That being said, I carry all the time, and if any one has ever noticed, nothing has been said. Unfortunately, New York is not reciprocal with any other state, so then I am reduced to carrying a knife. Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

Can you figure out a temporary residence in some place like Arizona... just to get their CC permit that is good in many of the states.
Can that be done?

Yep, I can get a non resident permit in states like PA. or Fla. which is reciprocal in some other states, but wife and I are talking about moving to PA. when she retires, problem solved!

[fudgie]

If your in a State where you can stop a felony in progress then you would be fine. Its up to you to turn away or help. To me, I'd help. Why would you watch some kid get abducted/ sexually abused or a women getting stabbed? I'd be pissed if it was my family and someone did not try and help.

[Eagleclaws]

I love Louisiana.

Open Carry State
Right to Carry State
Your vehicle is an extension of your home, none of that gun in one place and bullets in another crap.
Easy to get a carry permit, pay the money take the class and your covered.
http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/louisiana-ccw-state-laws.php

[Drool]

It kinda scares me that you have a permit to carry and don't already know the answer to the question yourself. Please take a firearms safety course. I'm pro concealed carry but only for those that know what they are doing and what the laws are in the areas they plan to carry in. I can't stand those that stupidly believe that criminals will obey laws that restrict gun ownership and therefore attempt to pass laws restricting my right to protect myself and my property, wherever I may be.

As for the answer to your question, NO, it is not your "duty" to act, but only a coward would watch or ignore as some one else was harmed or killed. The proper way to act would be, only after witnessing a person being threatened and knowing that the armed person is in fact breaking the law (you should NEVER draw a weapon without knowing exactly what the situation is first). Draw your weapon, keeping it pointed down with you trigger finger outside the trigger guard (never point your weapon at a person unless you are in the process of aiming and firing, accidents may occur in the heat of the moment otherwise); inform the person who is the threat that you are armed and will act if they don't cease to be a threat, as in "drop your weapon or I'll shoot", never fire without a verbal warning first; you should not fire unless you firmly believe that a life is in danger, unfortunately in most states that's only if your life is in danger, and it's quite likely you would be arrested if you did shoot. That's the short version, a proper class would explain much more, such as making sure to look beyond your target and insuring a clear line of fire so innocents aren't harmed if you do need to fire, a lot goes into it and you have to think quickly, so proper training is a must. As for myself, I'd rather go through being arrested for defending someone and take my chances in court than to live with knowing I allowed them to be killed by my own cowardice.

I hope that answers your question. No offense intended by any statements made, just expressing my own personal opinions on the matter.

[ozzie]

Good points

[Drool]

And when you pull your gun out and point it at them...another citizen sees you putting someones life in danger by threatening them with a firearm and pulls their gun and points it at you and then another .....

Reservoir Dogs all over again.

Not not true at all Copperhead, anybody that's had any weapon training at all knows:

1: Never pull a weapon unless you know the situation and believe lethal force is warranted to protect a life
2: Never point a weapon at a person, it should always be aimed downwards unless you are in the process of firing
3: You should only use a weapon as a last resort, when no other option is available to difuse the situation

In essence, if I were to see (a) holding a gun on (b) who is threatinging the unarmed (c), I'd first dial 911, then I'd either simply put my hand on my weapon without drawing it unless warranted but being prepared to act if needed, or I'd pull my weapon, keeping it aimed down and in the direction of (b) to back up (a) but only after accessing the situation and being clear in my mind that I was doing the right thing.

I got my permit yesterday, here in Alabama, and it was so easy it scared me a little. I printed out the application from the sheriff's website, filled it out and took it and $20 to the county sheriff's office. Gave them the app, the cash and my driver's license, fully expecting them to say I'd hear from them in six weeks or so. Instead I was told to have a seat while they ran my license for warrants, ran my social for the same, then they took my picture and handed my my concealed carry permit. I was there for maybe 20 minutes. Alabama doesn't run a federal background check like some states and doesn't require any type of weapons safety or carry course like most other states do. Luckily I've had training, and would probably pursue it anyway if I hadn't before I began carrying.

I'm 46, and while I've had weapons in my home since I was 21, I just never felt the need to carry before. Now I travel a little more, and being disabled I worry more about being seen as an easy target when traveling on the bike away from home. I would emplore anyone that wants to carry legally by getting a permit to take a weapons safety course on their own if their state doesn't require it. The reason a lot of states give for not honoring Alabama's carry permit is the fact that no federal background check is done and no trianing is required. I'm all for nationwide reciprocity, but I believe nationwide standards requiring training shoud be put in force as well. For all the county sheriff's office knew, I'd never even held a gun and now I can carry concealed legally, scary.



I'd rather have and not need than need and not have.

[ozzie]

Just like anybody that's had any weapon training at all knows if it's their duty or not to help another person?

[VT]

It would be my luck to draw on an undercover cop making an arrest of a dangerous criminal. Yeah, that's how my life goes.

[Copperhead]

And when you pull your gun out and point it at them...another citizen sees you putting someones life in danger by threatening them with a firearm and pulls their gun and points it at you and then another .....

Reservoir Dogs all over again.

Not not true at all Copperhead, anybody that's had any weapon training at all knows:

1: Never pull a weapon unless you know the situation and believe lethal force is warranted to protect a life
2: Never point a weapon at a person, it should always be aimed downwards unless you are in the process of firing
3: You should only use a weapon as a last resort, when no other option is available to difuse the situation

In essence, if I were to see (a) holding a gun on (b) who is threatinging the unarmed (c), I'd first dial 911, then I'd either simply put my hand on my weapon without drawing it unless warranted but being prepared to act if needed, or I'd pull my weapon, keeping it aimed down and in the direction of (b) to back up (a) but only after accessing the situation and being clear in my mind that I was doing the right thing.

I got my permit yesterday, here in Alabama, and it was so easy it scared me a little. I printed out the application from the sheriff's website, filled it out and took it and $20 to the county sheriff's office. Gave them the app, the cash and my driver's license, fully expecting them to say I'd hear from them in six weeks or so. Instead I was told to have a seat while they ran my license for warrants, ran my social for the same, then they took my picture and handed my my concealed carry permit. I was there for maybe 20 minutes. Alabama doesn't run a federal background check like some states and doesn't require any type of weapons safety or carry course like most other states do. Luckily I've had training, and would probably pursue it anyway if I hadn't before I began carrying.

I'm 46, and while I've had weapons in my home since I was 21, I just never felt the need to carry before. Now I travel a little more, and being disabled I worry more about being seen as an easy target when traveling on the bike away from home. I would emplore anyone that wants to carry legally by getting a permit to take a weapons safety course on their own if their state doesn't require it. The reason a lot of states give for not honoring Alabama's carry permit is the fact that no federal background check is done and no trianing is required. I'm all for nationwide reciprocity, but I believe nationwide standards requiring training shoud be put in force as well. For all the county sheriff's office knew, I'd never even held a gun and now I can carry concealed legally, scary.



I'd rather have and not need than need and not have.

I think you completely missed my point....

[tricksoftail]

It kinda scares me that you have a permit to carry and don't already know the answer to the question yourself. Please take a firearms safety course. I'm pro concealed carry but only for those that know what they are doing and what the laws are in the areas they plan to carry in. I can't stand those that stupidly believe that criminals will obey laws that restrict gun ownership and therefore attempt to pass laws restricting my right to protect myself and my property, wherever I may be.

As for the answer to your question, NO, it is not your "duty" to act, but only a coward would watch or ignore as some one else was harmed or killed. The proper way to act would be, only after witnessing a person being threatened and knowing that the armed person is in fact breaking the law (you should NEVER draw a weapon without knowing exactly what the situation is first). Draw your weapon, keeping it pointed down with you trigger finger outside the trigger guard (never point your weapon at a person unless you are in the process of aiming and firing, accidents may occur in the heat of the moment otherwise); inform the person who is the threat that you are armed and will act if they don't cease to be a threat, as in "drop your weapon or I'll shoot", never fire without a verbal warning first; you should not fire unless you firmly believe that a life is in danger, unfortunately in most states that's only if your life is in danger, and it's quite likely you would be arrested if you did shoot. That's the short version, a proper class would explain much more, such as making sure to look beyond your target and insuring a clear line of fire so innocents aren't harmed if you do need to fire, a lot goes into it and you have to think quickly, so proper training is a must. As for myself, I'd rather go through being arrested for defending someone and take my chances in court than to live with knowing I allowed them to be killed by my own cowardice.

I hope that answers your question. No offense intended by any statements made, just expressing my own personal opinions on the matter.

i did take the course! you have to in order to get your permit. this info was given to me by a friend that got his permit in utah because it covers almost every state. but what he told me i couldn't believe thats why i posted the question.

[tricksoftail]

figured it out! called the guy that taught the class, he said its not a legal obligation, but it would be a MORAL obligation for most. and that you have to assume that if someone is pointing their piece at another person he intends to use it.