permit to carry

[mouldy]

Wouldn't the need to be armed and capable to take a life indicate some decay of a society?

[fudgie]

No. Its the low end of society that is the problem. Its not the laws abiding citizens. We have a Right to defend ourselves and property.

[ozzie]

No. Its the low end of society that is the problem. Its not the laws abiding citizens. We have a Right to defend ourselves and property.

Isn't that what the American Indians said?

[VT]

No. Its the low end of society that is the problem. Its not the laws abiding citizens. We have a Right to defend ourselves and property.

Isn't that what the American Indians said?

I don't remember. I was probably out riding that day.

[mouldy]

Methinks my original question goes unanswered

[VT]

Methinks my original question goes unanswered

You won't find a true answer to your original question because, as with all things political, there are no concrete answers as to what is right and what is wrong. I think you confuse the "need" to be armed (living in Somalia?) vs. the "right" to be armed (living in the United States).

Definitely needing to bear arms is a much worse scenario than having a right to do so. One does not preclude the other. We have been armed for many hundreds of years here in North America... I don't find it a particularly distasteful place to live. You know that old saying, "An armed society is a polite society."

[fudgie]

I thought it was answered. Legal, no, morally, yes. Well, if you have any.

[Drool]

Wouldn't the need to be armed and capable to take a life indicate some decay of a society?

Sorry I'm late on this, been out of touch for a bit. The answer is yes, but the decay of that society is caused by the portion of the population that doesn't believe in society to begin with. I have the right to be armed and to defend myself from that element if the need arises. Would you rather all law abiding citizens be denied the right to carry, and on the occasion that a criminal pulled a weapon they only be left with the option of being harmed or killed? The criminal element will never disappear because the current society is too soft on them, we need to be much more stringient and make the punishment for crimes so severe that it is feared. Even then, there will still be those who try to live by stealing the products of others labors. As long as there are armed criminals, the law abiding citizens have the right to defend themselves and their property and should be armed as well. Society will always be in a constant state of decay, because the more advanced we become, the softer we are on crime and the more we try to rehabilitate rather than punish, and crime florishes because of it.

As for the American Indians, the did have the right to defend themselves and their property, but not all Indian nations warred with the white man. Some welcomed us with open arms, not realizing our propensity for consuming all natural resources and the rate at which our numbers would grow.

[86Eliminator]

No. Its the low end of society that is the problem. Its not the laws abiding citizens. We have a Right to defend ourselves and property.

Isn't that what the American Indians said?

Yeah, but they were WAY outgunned. Makes one wonder how the outcome would have changed had Indians had the same access to repeating rifles and Hotchkiss cannons.

The same old line still stands...Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

[Copperhead]

No. Its the low end of society that is the problem. Its not the laws abiding citizens. We have a Right to defend ourselves and property.

Isn't that what the American Indians said?

Yeah, but they were WAY outgunned. Makes one wonder how the outcome would have changed had Indians had the same access to repeating rifles and Hotchkiss cannons.

The same old line still stands...Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

and whiskey....

[neohiobiker]

i assume no one as of yet knows the answer to the original question. as a legal carrier am i obligated to act when witnessing someones life threatened?

NO ;your not obligated

[VT]

No. Its the low end of society that is the problem. Its not the laws abiding citizens. We have a Right to defend ourselves and property.

Isn't that what the American Indians said?

Yeah, but they were WAY outgunned. Makes one wonder how the outcome would have changed had Indians had the same access to repeating rifles and Hotchkiss cannons.

The same old line still stands...Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

If the current administration has their way, soon, we will be "way outgunned" too! Do the math and remember your history lessons.

[randee]

No. Its the low end of society that is the problem. Its not the laws abiding citizens. We have a Right to defend ourselves and property.

Isn't that what the American Indians said?

Yeah, but they were WAY outgunned. Makes one wonder how the outcome would have changed had Indians had the same access to repeating rifles and Hotchkiss cannons.
The same old line still stands...Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

If the current administration has their way, soon, we will be "way outgunned" too! Do the math and remember your history lessons.

We the people have been WAY out-gunned for a long time.
These guys spouting off as to what they have, millions of rounds, hundreds of guns, tons of gunpowder, are fu*king stupid. They only make themselves targets. One little drone and they're disintegrated, not just dead, disintegrated. They become part of a big hole that once was a large bomb waiting to be triggered.

[86Eliminator]

No. Its the low end of society that is the problem. Its not the laws abiding citizens. We have a Right to defend ourselves and property.

Isn't that what the American Indians said?

Yeah, but they were WAY outgunned. Makes one wonder how the outcome would have changed had Indians had the same access to repeating rifles and Hotchkiss cannons.
The same old line still stands...Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

If the current administration has their way, soon, we will be "way outgunned" too! Do the math and remember your history lessons.

We the people have been WAY out-gunned for a long time.
These guys spouting off as to what they have, millions of rounds, hundreds of guns, tons of gunpowder, are fu*king stupid. They only make themselves targets. One little drone and they're disintegrated, not just dead, disintegrated. They become part of a big hole that once was a large bomb waiting to be triggered.

Not necessarily, Randee. A lot of the folks who have the resources to amass such a stockpile often live by another old line...

Never put all your eggs in one basket.

[ghostrider1]

Your first obligation is to find the Iowa statutes that deal with lethal force and know it well! Do not go around looking for situations to jump into with your gun. I teach CCW in Missouri, and have since we have had the right to carry here. In circumstances that you described in Missouri I tell my learners to never attempt to make a citizen's arrest, and the same for getting into a gunfight with a stranger; that is what law enforcement is for.

[ozzie]

I can only speak for myself but if another person was in imminent danger and I was able to do something about it I would. I don't think do I have to help, I think what can I do to help and that just may be calling the police or stepping in to help. Everybody is different and the answer to your question is no you don't have to do anything.

[liferider]

I can only speak for myself but if another person was in imminent danger and I was able to do something about it I would. I don't think do I have to help, I think what can I do to help and that just may be calling the police or stepping in to help. Everybody is different and the answer to your question is no you don't have to do anything.

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But, there are instances where people have had the shit beaten out of them while people watched and did nothing. Then later the victim sued them under the good semeriton law.

[ozzie]

I can only speak for myself but if another person was in imminent danger and I was able to do something about it I would. I don't think do I have to help, I think what can I do to help and that just may be calling the police or stepping in to help. Everybody is different and the answer to your question is no you don't have to do anything.

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But, there are instances where people have had the shit beaten out of them while people watched and did nothing. Then later the victim sued them under the good semeriton law.

I disagree on this one. The Good Samaritan laws are laws preventing you from getting sued if you offer aide to an injured person. I agree if you try to help somebody and you shoot them by accident you'll probably get sued but I don't think they require you to help somebody in danger. I hope in the example you provided they at least called the police.